So like
labrat78 post on
6-12 got me riled up over (in my not so humble opinion) Christians over judgmental stance on the trans-gendered community. And I started writing a reply with ammo for those times when the Christians play judge and jury. When it far exceeded what in my mind is the appropriate response length.
So my approach to dealing with fellow Christians is as follows
1. Remember the verse they try and use against you this is important later. For trans-gendered issues they like
Deuteronomy 22:5 in short it says don’t cross-dress. For gay issues they like the Sodom and Gomorrah
Story and a verse out of Leviticus I forget the chapter and verse
2. Some light bible reading is not bad, you don’t have to take it literally, but knowing enough to spout book, chapter and verse back in your defense helps. I like to use
Luke 6: 37-38 NIV,
Acts 10:34 CEV and last but not least and only works if you are a fellow Christen
John 3: 16 (any) emphasize the all-inclusive part (ex for NIV “whoever” for KJV “whosoever“) though others have used
1 Samuel 16:7,
Matthew 19:12 3. Don’t get all worked up, you are liable to let them pant you in to a corner
4. The more you point out their “sins” the faster they will go away.
Back to remembering the verse they used to condemn you, you need to do this so you can counter it next time. Here is how, find some verse that override theirs or if they have taken it out of context it can be made moot some times by putting it back in context
So some thing you can do to screw with their head when it happens to you
1. They like to use the Old Testament laws as weapons, use them back. The obscurer the better.
2. Memorize your rebuttal verse verbatim for one or both of the commonly used versions (NIV or KJV) and AT least one non-commonly use bible versions I would recommend the CEV. Then find the one they are least familiar with. Stating that it’s verbatim. This has worked well as a diversionary tactic for me. If you can get them debating the viability of the claim of verbatim they might forget what started it. At least for a little while.
3. If you can appear to be losing and then crush them with a one two knock out get them going on all the things they think are wrong with you. Then hit them with Luke 6: 37-38 NIV
Please realize that is while probably not make you any friends. But is pretty good at getting them to go away.
So here is what a conversation that I had a wile back, way back to just after high school, with the wife of my then best friend. She being c, me being m and her hubby being h
c: your living in sin with that cross-dressing thing you do.
m: how so?
c: Deuteronomy 22:5 say you are an abomination if you do.
m: ah yes they burned Joan of arc using that verse, funny she is NOW a saint.
c: while god told her to, so it was okay
m: how do you know god has not told me to do so are maybe he made me with the need to do so, the later being what I believe to be the truth.
c: there is no need for it there for I can say that he has probably not.
m: so you came to know the all mighty’s thoughts and plans for me.
c: no, but it’s is there in black and white if you care to look it up.
m: I have and in several versions to boot, but this is getting us know where. You believe it is relevant where I don’t.
c: I’m just worried about your soul.
m: I worry about my soul too.
c: then stop and ask god for forgiveness.
m: after you
c: I don’t cross-dress.
m: you don’t? So let me guess those aren’t pants you’re wearing.
c: yes but their girl pants
m: so I see, it is not a sin if society says so. Not to long ago it would not have been okay
c: but it is now
m: ok find lets say you aren’t sinning by wearing pants, but you do brake other old testament laws, like eating pork and to pull one out of you precious Deuteronomy 22 the wearing of garments of mixed fabrics. What about not working on the Sabbath derived from the Hebrew word for rest? A day to rest and commune with God to be held on the seventh day of the week. That is Saturday not Sunday by the way.
c: you know when Christ came he lifted a lot of those.
m: so again you claim to know mighty’s thoughts and plans.
c: NO, it just makes since.
m: no they are society norms what’s not to say they can change. See you statement to justify you wearing pants
c: god said to obey the laws of the land for what you hold true on earth I shell hold true in haven.
m: find the law state or federal that I’m breaking. (There are some but their not well know and almost never enforced) I bet you can’t.
c: but the church says it’s wrong there for its wrong.
m: churches have said a lot of things where wrong like dancing, working on Sundays, reading any thing but the bible things change. So who is to say who is right and wrong? What if I start a church that says if you don’t cross-dress it’s a sin?
c: now you are just being silly.
m: good argument, what ever
c: don’t go down the path the devil is leading you on.
m: wow you know the thoughts and plans of the devil now too. I’m impressed.
c: you now I don’t
m: could’ve fooled me you sure are acting like it
c: I just don’t want you to burn
m: in light of the point that this is point less, and is going in circles I give up. But I have one last point. And that is Luke 6: 37 AND 38 I know you know part of Luke 6:37 we Christians like using the first part when some one is being judgmental to us but lets look at the part after the whole judge not less ye be judge. End of 37 says the same thing only reversed it forgive and be forgiven. Now on to 38: it talks about giving and getting in return, but the part I want you to really think about is the end, the measure you use will be used for you. So if you are holding me to an obscure Old Testament law will you be held to Old Testament laws you like to ignore.
with love and malice, Annie
Current Mood:
mischievous